tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post2117657140230771165..comments2023-10-21T09:47:25.393-04:00Comments on In Search of Isis: Talking TurkeyEastcoastdwellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18140530743668908554noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-44131230514752275222008-04-30T15:52:00.000-04:002008-04-30T15:52:00.000-04:00My grandmother [in Ireland} used to talk of "pulle...My grandmother [in Ireland} used to talk of "pullets". I think she was referring to young chickens.....mollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03797484583400519909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-63898414443197688722008-04-30T08:17:00.000-04:002008-04-30T08:17:00.000-04:00Trisia: Beautiful as it is, Hungarian (magyarul) i...Trisia: Beautiful as it is, Hungarian (magyarul) is somewhat challenging to learn. You remembered that pronounciation of pulyka quite well -- the "l" is silent before "y" in a combination like that. <BR/><BR/>"s" is pronounced "sh" unless there's a "z" after it. "Cs" is pronounced "ch."<BR/><BR/>Etc., etc.<BR/><BR/>And "lany" (Girl) is pronounced lahn, not lan-ney. The "y" is there, but barely. It's really only heard when you pluralize the word, lanyok, lahn-yok.<BR/><BR/>The hardest thing for a non-native is to tell the differences between the slightly different gradations in the vowels ("a" from "`a" and "o" with two short umlauts from "o" with two long umlauts, for example).<BR/><BR/>Hungarian is an orphan in the world of languages. It's not a Romance language like Romanian; or a Slavic language like Russian or anything Indo-European at all. <BR/><BR/>The theory is, that the Magyars emigrated from somewhere near the mysterious Caucasus region now in Russia more than a thousand years ago and that their relatives left behind were later obliterated by the Mongols.<BR/><BR/>One branch of their tribe settled in Finland, and so experts can detect linguistic similarities, although Finnish sounds nothing like Hungarian.Eastcoastdwellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140530743668908554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-84993539659514713842008-04-30T05:07:00.000-04:002008-04-30T05:07:00.000-04:00Ah, you brought nice memories to mind with this po...Ah, you brought nice memories to mind with this post, Ecd.<BR/><BR/>In Romanian, "curcan" ("turkey") is slang for policemen. Many years ago I asked a Hungarian lady to tell me how to say turkey in her native language and if they used this slangy meaning (I was such a mischievous child). She said no (natch) and told me the word, that I remembered as something pronounced like "puykoh" - no "l."<BR/><BR/>Bravo for your linguistic studies, mysterious as they may be.Cristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00597819808097885020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-67256794014341579762008-04-29T11:27:00.000-04:002008-04-29T11:27:00.000-04:00I should note as well, that epi-skopos is actually...I should note as well, that epi-skopos is actually not a Latin word, it's Greek. Greek and Latin both contributed to the vocabulary of the early Christian church.<BR/><BR/>Epi=over, skopos=seer. Overseer.Eastcoastdwellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140530743668908554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-24389559497151214342008-04-29T11:24:00.000-04:002008-04-29T11:24:00.000-04:00Janice: That is ironic yet true.Never were Native ...Janice: That is ironic yet true.<BR/>Never were Native American faces more prevalent in the US -- on coinage, on commercial products, etc., than during the 19th century, when real Native Americans were being driven to the brink of extinction here.<BR/><BR/>(Please don't assume, people, by my above comment or others that I have made, that I am an America-basher. I love my country and I strongly believe that it has accomplished very important things in the history of the world.<BR/><BR/>I don't believe any nation's hands are clean when it comes to racism or other evils. I just have to talk about what I know. Obviously, I am more familiar with what has happened in the U.S. than what has happened in Scotland or Japan.)Eastcoastdwellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140530743668908554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-71089600373411115812008-04-29T10:11:00.000-04:002008-04-29T10:11:00.000-04:00Informative post ECD. I enjoy learning the origins...Informative post ECD. I enjoy learning the origins of words.<BR/>Funny how a country's word is 'borrowed' yet the culture is not accepted by some when those people move into the neighborhood...Janice Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02506920585319893814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-68545866464308959872008-04-28T14:39:00.000-04:002008-04-28T14:39:00.000-04:00According to this site, http://www.linguistlist.or...According to this site, http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/7/7-174.html, <BR/><BR/>pulyka appears to be a direct borrowing from Bulgarian, a neighbor to Hungary but with a completely different culture and language family (Slavic). <BR/><BR/>So the buck is passed, to Bulgaria. Where did THEy come up with the word?Eastcoastdwellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140530743668908554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-70735102049827120362008-04-28T14:28:00.000-04:002008-04-28T14:28:00.000-04:00Leslie:Hungarian isn't a Romance language, but it ...Leslie:<BR/><BR/>Hungarian isn't a Romance language, but it could have borrowed that Latin word just as it did most of its Christian liturgical terminology. Puspok, (pronounced poosh-pok) for example is episcopos (bishop) reshaped on a Hungarian tongue. (Bishop, in fact, is the English version of the same thing).<BR/><BR/>And good Hungarian Catholics go to mise (pronounced mish-ay), whereas their English brethren and Sisters go to Mass. <BR/><BR/>-ka in Hungarian is a dimunitive or affectionate suffix, so pullus+ka could be a combination word. <BR/><BR/>Who knows?Eastcoastdwellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140530743668908554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-35488823669157260952008-04-28T14:17:00.000-04:002008-04-28T14:17:00.000-04:00Latin word, *pullus*, meaning young fowl.Latin word, *pullus*, meaning young fowl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-35200446519592258382008-04-28T08:55:00.000-04:002008-04-28T08:55:00.000-04:00Now that's talking turkey!!I love learning where w...Now that's talking turkey!!<BR/>I love learning where words come from. I find is fascinating, actually.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02177697302908251297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-38994462217405168672008-04-28T06:15:00.000-04:002008-04-28T06:15:00.000-04:00Lone Grey: Unfortunately, I cannot answer that que...Lone Grey: Unfortunately, I cannot answer that question at this time -- it would reveal more about me than I feel comfortable doing.<BR/><BR/>I need to visit your blog and see how you are doing these days. I know you were in a rough spell recently.<BR/><BR/>Mark: Perhaps it is, LOL. There's just usually a reason why someone opens their mouth and assigns a certain combination of letters to a newly observed phenomenon.<BR/><BR/>For instance, chocolate is supposedly an Aztec word that means "hot drink." Nobody just decided on a whim that c-h-o-c-o-l-a-t-e sounded like a good label for the stuff. <BR/><BR/>Sometime in the last 500 years, some Hungarian trend-setter decided that pulyka was an appropriate title for the strange, gobbly bird from America that Americans call turkey.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I asked a friend from El Salvador how to say turkey in Spanish, and he uttered a word that also sounded completely different from turkey. Such a weird word that I can't even remember it to write down here. <BR/><BR/>For such a stupid, ugly-looking, albeit tasty bird, turkeys have inspired a multitude of monikers.Eastcoastdwellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140530743668908554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-29489214993665139782008-04-28T04:42:00.000-04:002008-04-28T04:42:00.000-04:00Fascinating explanation on origins of words. Thank...Fascinating explanation on origins of words. Thank You ECD. <BR/><BR/>Pulyka-maybe this word is a turkey among traceable words.<BR/><BR/>Peace<BR/><BR/>markthe walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5875136140537336379.post-45364665385310415162008-04-28T01:59:00.000-04:002008-04-28T01:59:00.000-04:00Interesting discourse. I have learnt a lot. What...Interesting discourse. I have learnt a lot. What is the reason behind your strong affinity for and knowledge of Hungary?Lone Grey Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16892067644551128013noreply@blogger.com